MI HB 5726. A Bill (mostly) Banning After Market Exhaust Systems.

"Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis" (Dwhite95) 09/01/2014 at 22:20 • Filed to: tips

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EDIT: Not as bad as originally thought. It seems like this just bans the modification of a stock exhaust unit to alter sound. $100 fine for driving a car with a modified unit, up to $10,000 for modifying the exhaust or being a dealer that sell one with a modified exhaust. !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! Not really sure about how strict the specific decibel levels are but this part of the bill is concerning. " A MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIR FACILITY SHALL NOT MODIFY AN EXHAUST SYSTEM CAUSING THE MOTOR VEHICLE TO WHICH THE SYSTEM IS ATTACHED TO PRODUCE NOISE IN EXCESS OF OEM STOCK DECIBEL LEVELS. " And this part too " A PERSON WHO VIOLATES SECTION 707C(7) SHALL PAY A CIVIL FINE OF $10,000.00 FOR EACH VIOLATION" I should also ad this bill has not passed in a way through the Michigan government as of now as it has not been voted on yet.

thebigbossyboss > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:23

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$10,000 dollars? Doesn't America have better things to do? It seems stupid to ruin people's lives because there car is too loud.

ly2v8-Brian > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:23

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Really!??! Fu$5 you Michigan.

mcseanerson > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:24

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That sounds like shops can't do it just like shops can't cut off your cats. It's a hefty fine because it's referring to a business. That's how I'm taking it at least.

Ravey Mayvey Slurpee Surprise > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:25

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I see the Michigan State Trooper Fundraising Newsletter is out for this month.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:25

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LOL who had this idea and where are they from? Also, how old and crotchety are they?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:26

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I see the Michigan liberals are trying to pay for their massive fuck up, known as Detroit.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:26

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So if this were passed(won't happen), my FoST would be illegal due to aftermarket exhaust?

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen 09/01/2014 at 22:26

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Dis guy. Not as old as I would have expected. http://012.housedems.com/

Nerd-Vol > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:27

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I wonder if SEMA will try to fight this?

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/01/2014 at 22:29

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This guy is actually out of Jackson, Michigan. So I doubt it.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:30

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Wait, is it the spark plug beat off guy?

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:31

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Um, wow... he needs to put down the pipe and listen to some Z06 with Corsa exhaust and F-Type V8S at stock...

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:32

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Does the bill also provide funding for decibel meters for all of the cops?

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > mcseanerson 09/01/2014 at 22:38

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I went back and read it a little more closely, lots of acronyms. What I did get out of it says simply owning a car with a modified stock exhaust is technically illegal and would amount to a $100 fine. The $10,000 fine comes if you are business that modifies a stock exhaust or if you are a dealer that sells a car with a modified exhaust.

Little Black Coupe Turned Silver > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:38

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This only applies to shops... Just like I'm sure there's a similar bill already that says a shop can't modify the exhaust by taking out the cat.

Don't have a shop do the work, no problems.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > Little Black Coupe Turned Silver 09/01/2014 at 22:41

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Is simply driving without a cat a ticket worthy offense though? (Seriously, I dont know) It seems like this is says that simply driving a car with a modified stock exhaust is grounds for a $100 ticket.

mcseanerson > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:43

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(2) A dealer shall not sell or offer for sale for use upon a

4 street or highway in this state a new motor vehicle manufactured

5 after April 1, 1978, which THAT produces a maximum noise exceeding

6 the following limits:

7 (a) A motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of

8 8,500 pounds or more—83 DBA.

9 (b) A motorcycle or a moped—83 DBA.

This would never pass. Harley owners would murder this guy first.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > mcseanerson 09/01/2014 at 22:46

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The motorcycle part really through me off for that reason. A pretty large percent of them love loud exhausts.

mcseanerson > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:47

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Loud pipes save lives. To be fair they're probably not wrong.

Little Black Coupe Turned Silver > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 22:49

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I think it is, but I'm not sure. I have one still, so don't have to worry about that. It also depends on if you state does visual inspections.

JGrabowMSt > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/01/2014 at 23:37

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Believe it or not, some European standards are extremely strict about exhaust noise levels, and people who build kit cars have had to go to great lengths to get exhaust systems made to meet the standards.

While I don't expressly believe a bill like this is totally appropriate, my wagon is louder than stock, but I haven't touched the exhaust at all, only the intake. It's going to be rather difficult to really enforce a bill like this, because right now, many areas deploy a tactic that simply follows the guidelines of "reasonable at the officer's discretion." Not entirely good, not entirely bad either. I think that it really should be an official policy though, because I would trust an officers discretion about noise far more than a politician's.

Here's a chart that's somewhat off in it's numbers, and doesn't quite get it perfect, but is plenty close enough for public consumption. Sound is a funny thing because while we can have a true reference level in a studio, everyone does perceive sounds differently in volume. Technically, 80dB for 8 hours is perfectly acceptable, and after that 8 hour window, you will start to experience fatigue. More importantly though, two people in a room with a reference level may have different perceptions of how loud a noise is. You can play an 80dB tone for them, and have them progressively turn the signal down until they can no longer hear it, and it's more than likely that will result in different points of not hearing the tone anymore. Because of that, saying that a car with a 110dB exhaust is the maximum allowed is somewhat difficult. Best example I have for this is Formula 1 vs NASCAR. Believe it or not, the two actually aren't really different in decibel, but when you get to the sound pressure level, that's a totally different ballgame. There should very much be a definitely limit on SPL levels of exhaust systems.

The recent video of that stripped out FR-S or BR-Z or whatever it was is something that would (and rightfully should) be heavily fined for how piercingly loud that thing is.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > thebigbossyboss 09/01/2014 at 23:56

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Welcome to America, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave!*

*Haha go fuck yourself.

Hooneriphic > mcseanerson 09/02/2014 at 00:41

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In Delaware they completely eliminated the decibel limit on exhaust systems (for motorcycles). All that they require is that the motorcycle has a muffler. There's been some discussion about adding cars to this law.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/02/2014 at 09:17

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I'm about to have 2 of 3 cats removed.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 09/02/2014 at 09:51

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not to mention a database of all OEM dB limits using the same method the police use to take the reading.

Just Cars for Joe Bryant > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/02/2014 at 10:02

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Nope Jackson, is about 2 - 2.5 hours SW of Saginaw (where the perv. lives).

Just Cars for Joe Bryant > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/02/2014 at 10:03

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Figures its a demonrat.

Mattbob > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/02/2014 at 10:20

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haha, good luck enforcing that. There are so many blown out exhausts here in michigan that are way louder than stock, just from the salt eating them away. This will never pass.

Maxaxle > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/02/2014 at 15:32

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*threw me off

Maxaxle > mcseanerson 09/02/2014 at 15:34

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There's a difference between "what car/motorcycle?" and "OMFG WHOSE FUCKING CAR/MOTORCYCLE IS THAT". Harleys and fart-canned cars are consistently the latter, and yet sporty bikes and sporty cars (i.e. ones manufactured with relatively loud exaust pipes) land in a pleasant area between the two.

mcseanerson > Maxaxle 09/02/2014 at 15:40

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I think if they ever wanted to enforce something like this it should be on a per case basis. Like you're driving in 1st gear in a 35 at 3 am.

Maxaxle > mcseanerson 09/02/2014 at 15:44

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...wait, what? I'm talking about noise levels.

mcseanerson > Maxaxle 09/02/2014 at 15:46

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What do you think a Honda with a fart can in first gear doing 35 sounds like?

Maxaxle > mcseanerson 09/02/2014 at 15:49

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Well A) it doesn't have to be a Honda, and B) the context wasn't 100% clear. BTW a fart-canned car, regardless of make, model, or sportiness, is generally really damn noisy at any RPM range. It's like putting a megaphone up your butt and then farting: it doesn't matter how you do it, it's stupid and annoying regardless.

HellPhish89 > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/02/2014 at 16:58

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shocker.. democrat written..

Charge It! > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/02/2014 at 19:06

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Maybe not the best solution but I welcome anything that stops excessive noise. A quality well designed exhaust will sound good, not be too loud and offer good performance and durability.

SpartanJeeper > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/05/2014 at 09:12

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I would actually not be surprised if this is being pushed behind the scenes by the auto dealers, mainly to try and force people to go to dealership repair shops for new exhausts - at a cost of 3-4 times over what it should be. Dealerships have been trying to shut down the independent guys since basically the independent guys began.

Thruxtonup > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 09/14/2014 at 21:06

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So basically, when someone cuts the cat off your car (which is an issue in SE Mi), now have to worry about getting a $100 ticket when you drive it to a muffler shop.

AlainProstIsNotTheDevil > mcseanerson 09/22/2014 at 15:07

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This subject came up in conversation the other day. The only problem with the notion that "loud pipes saves lives" is that the cause is often celebrated by a tiny sticker on a $1.98 helmet sold "for novelty use only" that wouldn't protect a cantaloupe if it fell of the kitchen table let alone your head if you fell off your hog.